Reasons you will hate me

QLD aboriginal activist Sam watson says - it is only fitting that the local traditional owners are invited.

"Wilson Tuckey really should take a leaf out of John Howard's book and disappear into the sunset," he said.

"He really can't offer the Australia of 2008, or the Australia that lies before us, he can't offer us anything.

"So Mr Tuckey and his extremist racist views really do belong to another generation."

I'm with Sam. Perhaps we can take an iron bar to Tuckey's head?

wat a f@$ktard...happy australia day weekend to u too buddy!

Dance parlour?

Parlour?

The trite rubbish trotted out by Tuckey & Nelson on the apology are a testament to how little they have in the cupboard. "Take one Mabo-era critique, mix up a few sentences, substitute apology for land and add a good dash of resentment. Apply Liberally to affected area until sore begins to fester. Continue to apply at regular intervals so that wound remains open & raw".

This is a more complex issue than most people would like to think epon. People seem to skirt around the fact that in a court of law it can be argued an apology is an admission of guilt. This put's thousands of individuals in the position to sue the state. Given the amount of potential cases this may ammount to a sum of money that can't necessarily be afforded.

And besides isn't the government supposed to represent indigenous Australians as well as those of European descendance? Why then should the contemporary Australian governement (A supposed representative of body of both groups of people) need to explicitly apologise to one of those groups?

Is it apologising on behalf of the former government or of the present government? And if it's the latter does that mean that the aboriginal people that government represents are apologising to themselves?

Sounds suspiciously like complete fucking nonsense to me.

but don't you feel sorry about the way indigenous people have always been (mis)treated?

I am sorry.
I am not guilty, but I am very fucking sorry

"This is a more complex issue than most people would like to think epon. People seem to skirt around the fact that in a court of law it can be argued an apology is an admission of guilt. This put's thousands of individuals in the position to sue the state. Given the amount of potential cases this may ammount to a sum of money that can't necessarily be afforded."

utter tosh.

The implication here is that there's a possibility that the government is not guilty, this is just crap.
The guilt of the government in the case of the stolen generation is well documented by government policy documents at the time.

That's the question of fact well and truly sorted, in terms of damages, whether compensation is owed etc whether the government apologises for it or not would have no relevance.

As well as this, the government has stated that no extra compensation will be forthcoming as a result of the apology, are you really saying that you have better legal advice than the federal government?

Federal government's have been wrong before, I believe the "sorry" is for ongoing compensation, to which they are entitled.
Would the holocaust survivers been happy with "just" an apology?......63 years later reparations are still being payed.

Yes, it's time someone put the 'house' back into the House of Representatives.

Thin end of the slippery wedge, people. Next they'll stop having everyone recite The Lord's Prayer in parliament at the start of each sitting day.

The States are responsible for compensation for the stolen generations not the Federal Government so there is no question of compensation. Iron Bar is just continuing his usual racist views.

As the elected representatives of the people it is fitting the federal government should make the apology. I, and many other descendants of those who stole the land and it's children from their guardians, have deputised our elected representatives to make this apology on our behalf. Its form is being decided by those to whom the apology is due. Considering how much financial return I have made from the results of those thefts over the last two hundred years I have no problem with paying compensation. Everybody who has arrived here since the invasion has financially benefited from the proceeds of those thefts, directly and indirectly. The direct descendants of the thieves who do not want to recognize this reality are no longer in a position to stop the rest of us getting past this stage. They have blackened our name on the international stage for too long. They are irrelevant.

Sorry for the delayed response anonymous, had too much work to do to check for comment updates today.
"People seem to skirt around the fact that in a court of law it can be argued an apology is an admission of guilt. "
Also sorry that you have such a conveniently superficial understanding of our legal system & constitution. It can also be argued in a court of law that the moon is made of cheese & that "she was askin' for it"; that doesn't necessarily make it a winning argument even before you get to constitutional realities (try looking up parliamentary privilege somewhere, might help). Your point (being kind here) about representative government, poses so many false (& irrelevant) dichotomies (indig v. Euro/past v present) that it barely makes sense as a sentence, let alone a logical argument.

Saying "we're sorry X happened" is neither an admission nor an imposition of guilt, it's simply an expression of sorrow & sympathy that something bad happened to someone. It's not a complex issue, it's just an issue that politicians complicate for their own ends. If you want to subscribe to that whining dribble fine but fuck off. If you want to understand it read the constitution & take in some history lessons.

Perhaps Ironbar is a Methodist. I've heard that the reason Methodists disprove of alcohol is that it leads to dancing. Little Johnny used to be a Methodist (before Hyacinth convinced him to mingle with the "better" people who hang out at the Anglican disco) and he never even contemplated a square dance at such events.
As for the quaint use of "parlour", I think I have an explanation. Ironbar hails from the backblocks of outback WA where the only excitement (apart from bashing certain people with iron bars) comes from travelling ladies who dispense their favours to miners. (I know this because I saw a performance of "Last of the Knucklemen" put on by Pentridge prisoners for HSC English.) So, perhaps...he associates any activity involving heightened energy and excitement with "parlours".

The dance parlour is a slightly archaic reference to the dance halls of days gone by (in the West anyway). At least by the 1930's (and probably much earlier) the use of "parlour" often implied a more precise and seedy establishment. This was the home of the taxi dancer who, for a dime, would accompany a gentleman in a twirl across the floor. It was not uncommon that a dance of another kind could then be procured for slightly more. I think the expression is often still used in this sense in areas of Asia, particularly India.
I'm not sure that Tuckey was using it in this way, it seemed that he was more trying to be generally derogatory. But trying to divine the precise meaning of a fool's words is fraught with danger. It is not necessarily an area where one wants to find that one has special insight.

So, when I go to a friend's grandparents funeral and say "I'm sorry for your loss" to their mum, what I'm really doing is saying

"I killed ya nan!!!!"

Yeah, sorry, don't think so.

Why do they still that fucking cunt sit in the house in this day and age?

While we're dredging the bay could we mix Iron Bar and Andrew Bolt in with the rest of the toxic sludge and bottom feeders and dump them far, far out to sea?
(with apologies to the marine environment)

Please?

PS when you gonna do a fri q&a, ms fits? I'm curious to know what you think of the Wren family feud /body snatching thing. (defenestrate the lot of em I say...)

Sorry Bomba, Iron Blah would simply float to the top as is his nature & nobody wants to bump into one of those things when they're out for a swim. Bolta would just deny the sea level was rising over his head.

Touche! epon_anon, mind you its only the healthy ones that float and Tucky is one sick old dog (could hardly say puppy).

Same topic, different pain-in-the-arse, the hemorrhoid ex-trade unionist (Painters and Doctors Union) Leader of the Opposition keeps bleating on about an apology being the wrong Government priority. What is his problem? Can he not walk and chew gum at the same time?
Oh hang on! just remembered his disastrous stint as Defence Minister, he probably can't.

I think Lord Nelson's problem is most likely that his enormous forehead belies the extremely modest contents therein. He really should never have split from Beavis & left MTV for politics.

Gosh, no end of under-achievers and brokeback moutnain grade masculinity in here slinging off at Wilson Tuckey, a man's man, who knows how to defend his family & livlihood.

What do you fellers do? Cissy stuff like march in a street, chanting "ho, ho, ho chi minh" and throw a few rotten eggs at Bob Carr's limousine?

Wilson Tuckey (without a huge crowd to back him up) uses an iron bar on those who threaten his livlihood & family.

What is behind the mudslinging, the jealousy that comes from knowing you don't measure up to him?

Bunch of sooks!

Lets face it, this is all about screwing more tax payers money out of the government whilst doing nothing to earn it